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【@夹头夹脑有意思吗: 不好意思，请问飞老师你说的webb是约翰逊好友，共进退的这个说法，有什么出处吗？能给个当事人采访或者新闻不，也算补充下客观证据，不然别人会以为是飞老师你自己脑补的[允悲]。】
太能了。出处见1969年4月29日T.H. Baker对James E. Webb的采访。相关采访片段是：
B: Sir, the circumstances of your leaving NASA. Now, am I correct in assuming that you and Mr. Johnson had some time prior to September '68 discussed the circumstances under which you would resign?
W: Yes. Mr. Johnson told me in August 1967 that he was not going to run for President.
B: He told you that early, sir?
W: Yes, that's right. He said, "The only two people that know this are John Connally and Lady Bird, and Marvin and these other people don't know it and I don't want you to tell anybody, but I'm not going to run."
B: May I ask, sir, did you by any chance try to talk him out of it?
W: No. I just simply said, "I'm going to walk out the day you do. Let's go out together." No, I did point out to him that this would be a great loss to the country, and I did point out the fact that he would be under heavy pressure to run and I didn't see how he could do this, but I didn't argue with him about his decision.
B: Did he present it to you just as a decision he made? He wasn't asking for advice?
W: He was just telling me as a close friend and associate that he had made this decision, and he was going to announce it soon, within a month. Now the point is that I had made it very clear to him that I did not want to stay beyond his term of office, that eight years of this job would be enough for anybody, and that we both had the problem of continuity of leadership. And so it was not too long thereafter, probably in October or so, that Bob Seaman said he wanted to leave. I've forgotten the exact time; we can look it up in the record. And Bob was Deputy. So the question became, how do you assure continuity of leadership when Seaman is leaving, and I had at least this indication that Johnson was thinking about it. I really think that he would implement the decision. I thought that somehow, some way, events would transpire. I said, "Look, you're going to have tremendous pressure put on you," you know.
But when I told him Seaman wanted to leave, we did discuss how you get continuity of leadership in the program, and he gave me authority to look for a deputy that could become administrator when I retired. I did so, and cleared a couple of people with him, and offered the job to them; they both turned it down; and I was moving along to assume that I was going to have to ride out the thing and run the place more or less without a deputy. And about that time John Macy called me up and he said, "I've got a pretty good man here. I believe [he] could do your job as Deputy." So I said, "Send him over." Tom Paine turned up, and I spent about half a day going through the exercise with him, and I knew without any doubt that he understood matters the way I did, he was young--forty-six at that time--he had experience in tempo, of taking something that was down and out and building it up into something good and strong, had worked on paperwork problems of the National City Bank as well as how a government in an underdeveloped country in Africa solves its problems, and I checked him out with people in GE and elsewhere and they all said, "He's tremendous." He had been selected to be in the top group in GE from which they select their senior officers. He told them no, he wanted to come into the government and broaden his experience.
So I immediately said I would like to have him, and the President said, "Well, you bring him over here." So, he came back from California, I took him over there, and Johnson looked him over, talked to him, and then he said to me, "Do you want this man?" And I said, "That's your decision, Mr. President, He's a presidential appointee." He said, "I'm going to do what you want done. Do you want him or don't you?" I said, "I want him. I want him as your appointee though." So then he went ahead and he made the announcement, and then I cleared him through the Senate after some difficulties because they like to strike a bargain with whoever is going to hold those jobs.
Now, from then on the question was really a question of time. As you moved on past the March 31 date and into the period of the summer, we were getting ready to fly the Apollo again and I made it very clear to Johnson before that September meeting and at the September meeting that there were three advantages we wanted in pursuit of our goal of continuity: one was that we wanted insurance that if Apollo 7 failed, bearing in mind we were going to fly this thing about three weeks before the election, that if the same guys that had tried to burn him with Bobby Baker and Fred Black and all the rest of it got to going again, I wanted to be on the outside where I could take them on in their own terms, not an administrator on the defensive. That was one thing that I thought was important; insurance against the possibility of failure three weeks before an election.
Second, we wanted to present whoever was President, Humphrey or Nixon, with a vacancy, because having been through this for seven and a half years, being somewhat of a controversial person which you almost are bound to be in this kind of thing, I didn't want the argument to be, should the new President keep whoever is in, or should he throw him out? We wanted a vacancy, and I deliberately planned this so that one could say to whoever was President, "You don't have to argue about whether to keep Webb or not. Paine is prepared to stay a year as Deputy. He's not striking for the main job, and so all you've got to do is appoint a man. Just remember that you've got to fly several Saturn 5's this next year." And the third thing, the third element in this, was that I would be available without taking on any conflicting obligations until the 20th of January to watch the program, to be more or less full time or half time with Paine, and if anything happened to Paine I would have gone right back in on an interim appointment, you see, to run the place until the 20th. So the President had the assurance that he was producing a situation of three elements that provided continuity. Now, that was basically what we were doing and we had been working in that direction for over a year.
好了，现在轮到我问你了。你说韦布是因为不相信阿波罗能成功登月才辞职的，“有什么出处吗？能给个当事人采访或者新闻不，也算补充下客观证据”。谢谢
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发表于 2023-6-26 14:03
你这样布好阵势屯好物资做出准备打硬仗的架势，阴谋论爱好者才不会进来的。他们只是乐于在一切相干不相干的话题下轻轻撂下一句，以显示自己对美帝国主义刻骨铭心的仇恨以及自己高洁的爱国热情，自己这边人数不利的时候就装作看不见了。
那个时候我还在贴吧和水知道答案信徒激情辩论
