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[漫画] 富坚义博 开设官推『全职猎人 / HUNTER×HUNTER』411话起休刊

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发表于 2024-11-20 23:08 | 显示全部楼层
沐易部落那个分析吧,我觉得司法局把爱依依家划成平民以及基地位置确实能对的上凯撒玩过这个游戏然后**纵了
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发表于 2024-11-21 00:24 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
猎人目前有意思的一个点在于,整个黑暗大陆篇在经历了渡航准备、西团大战到现在继承战即将白热化,剧情和内容上很多细节伏笔都已经埋下,就看读者能不能在已知信息内串联起来。现在的猎人就像是挑战读者的推理漫画。
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发表于 2024-11-21 01:55 | 显示全部楼层
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凯撒的心跳完全不受情绪影响,并不是所谓的“不知道自己意图或记忆被篡改、继续按照原本正常思维行动”。也不像黑帮少主在心里为墨莲娜面临的危险担忧、也不像墨莲娜在波克森面前暴露自己的愤怒。凯撒的思维极度理性和冷静,反而能以王子情绪波动为突破口获取情报。说明或者有人远程操纵他的言行(因而不是墨莲娜的能力),所有凯撒的心理描写是幕后操纵者的想法。或者凯撒自己操纵了自己的心跳。又或者他并不是人类、或身体受到卡金三神器之一影响。如果是这样,爱上旋律、向芭蕉鞠躬是自身意志。扶植弱势王子继位以控制卡金的策略和墨莲娜的目标有根本冲突。


从名字看也不简单:


プルード

〔男女関係・性的なことに〕堅物の人、潔癖で堅い人、上品ぶる人、淑女ぶった女性


カイザル

『新約聖書』に出てくる称号。幾人かのローマ皇帝はこの称号で呼ばれた。聖典では,世俗的な支配や権威の象徴として用いられている。

カイザルのものはカイザルに返しなさい, マタ22:21 (マコ12:17; ルカ20:25; 教義63:26).


耶稣、童贞女、凯撒


补充:真正的墨莲娜普露多已经死了。
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发表于 2024-11-21 08:29 | 显示全部楼层
蚊仔蚊仔蚊仔 发表于 2024-11-21 00:24
猎人目前有意思的一个点在于,整个黑暗大陆篇在经历了渡航准备、西团大战到现在继承战即将白热化,剧情和内 ...

有个up主说的挺好,猎人的读者必须得是漫画猎人才行
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发表于 2024-11-21 12:15 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
【「獵人407話」母女請求遊戲的進一步解析和結論-哔哩哔哩】 https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1xSUxYLExw?p=1&unique_k=
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发表于 2024-11-21 13:51 | 显示全部楼层
这一话和下一话都是打牌,攒一周也没事。
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发表于 2024-11-21 13:57 | 显示全部楼层
408话标题:交涉2。整个章节都围绕着游戏展开。
1、波可森先选择目标牌,墨莲娜开始讲述她的目的,同时她的一些往事也被揭露,有一张她年轻时的分镜。
2、之后墨莲娜选了波可森的第一张牌,是小丑牌。
3、然后波可森选了力量牌。
4、墨莲娜抽到了波可森的YES牌。
5、波可森选墨莲娜的NO牌。
6、墨莲娜抽到波可森的X牌。
当波可森只剩下NO牌和R牌时,墨莲娜说特殊戒严令已经启动,且这不是演习。
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发表于 2024-11-21 14:48 | 显示全部楼层
谁帮忙回忆一下特殊戒严令怎么才能启动
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发表于 2024-11-21 15:45 | 显示全部楼层
卡拉德利姆 发表于 2024-11-21 13:57
408话标题:交涉2。整个章节都围绕着游戏展开。
1、波可森先选择目标牌,墨莲娜开始讲述她的目的,同时她 ...

图透出了。不是墨莲娜说特殊戒严令已经启动,是全船广播说,墨莲娜表情惊讶。
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发表于 2024-11-21 15:46 | 显示全部楼层
特殊戒严令是大王子的底牌吧,是不是九王子被识破了
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发表于 2024-11-21 15:55 | 显示全部楼层
所以莫莲娜之前说的时间拖久了对双方都不利是不是指的这个特殊戒严令呢
syl,这一格可以截出来当表情

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发表于 2024-11-21 16:01 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2024-11-21 16:01 | 显示全部楼层
应该是别的故事线发生了足以引发戒严令的事件。

9王子整了大活?




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发表于 2024-11-21 16:02 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
又有byd的事
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发表于 2024-11-21 16:25 | 显示全部楼层
407话:打牌。
408话:打牌。
409话:打牌。
410话:墨莲娜啊墨莲娜!你怎么能如此堕落!先前订下的灭世计划你都忘了吗?子曰:“吾日三省吾身。”不能再这样下去了!
411话:打牌。
412话:打牌。

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发表于 2024-11-21 16:27 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
卡拉德利姆 发表于 2024-11-21 15:55
所以莫莲娜之前说的时间拖久了对双方都不利是不是指的这个特殊戒严令呢
syl,这一格可以截出来当表情 ...

怎么这表情?
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发表于 2024-11-21 16:46 | 显示全部楼层
估计是对对面非常满意,或者自己能力获得由来很开心所以开心地分享
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发表于 2024-11-21 17:19 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 BetterCall 于 2024-11-21 17:21 编辑
cdfjg 发表于 2024-11-21 14:48
谁帮忙回忆一下特殊戒严令怎么才能启动

好像是如果兵队长暗杀失败 大王子立刻就会特殊戒严 对九王子动手(届时他的权力超过国王) 继而还能做更多事

—— 来自 鹅球 v3.0.87-alpha
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发表于 2024-11-21 18:03 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 الطائر 于 2024-11-22 10:20 编辑

卡金最高军事顾问目前未知,猜测可能是比杨德。最高军事副顾问是1王子。比杨德在1层的监禁室,在第10日下午2点说有想见的人。11日早晨8点,1王子和凯撒的对话,暴露自己想发动特别戒严令,但发动前提需要“能够令国家陷入危机的事件”。1王子一度考虑以9王子和兵队长勾结发动叛乱为由执行特别戒严令。不过,第12日凌晨,9王子(肉体)死亡。表面上看,兵队长没有带着尸体叛乱的可能性。12日早晨,9王子(兵队长)和1王子约定在第12日夜见面,暂时稳住了局面。实际上,9王子事先服下的安眠药在死亡后10个小时将失效,兵队长人格将在第12日早上10点苏醒,9王子将在此之前行动,也就是在第3层动手。因为9王子葬礼行列通过中央台阶的时间是第12日正午,之后棺材会送到第1层的安置室。团长在队列还没有走上中央台阶的时间点就找到了要寻找的人,并确认此人此时在上层。波克森醒来和墨莲娜打牌的时间在第12日下午1点,地点在第2层隐藏房间。

旋律和凯撒等计划对7王子的行动定在第12日夜,但不确定是否受9王子死亡的消息影响而提前。酷拉皮卡曾分析,一旦出现3、4、7王子遭到暗杀的情况,就会从帮派全面抗争瞬间过渡到特别戒严令。而此前4王子私设兵讨论过另一种可能,即由于A家打破均衡,军方(第1王子)、司法局和猎人协会达成共识,发动国家对黑帮的全面战争。另外,酷拉皮卡举办的第二期念能力教学,时间在第12日上午9点,2王子私设兵将会参加,并执行对14王子的暗杀,不过这很可能和当前事件无关。狗头人发现团长的分镜是倒叙,团长此时可能已经离开了第3层。
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发表于 2024-11-21 19:08 | 显示全部楼层
就不的 发表于 2024-11-20 23:08
沐易部落那个分析吧,我觉得司法局把爱依依家划成平民以及基地位置确实能对的上凯撒玩过这个游戏然后**纵了 ...

这哥们是真的有点东西
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发表于 2024-11-21 22:26 | 显示全部楼层
莫莲娜有点可爱啊……
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发表于 2024-11-21 23:01 | 显示全部楼层
怪不得念能力叫恋爱练习曲,确实很少女
第三轮就选No?我是没想到的,虽然确实是种谨慎,我以为不到最后都不会选这两张解释牌。这么看波克森确实比较惜命,感觉背叛四王子是必然
特殊戒严令启动,终于要全面战争了吗
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发表于 2024-11-21 23:07 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
读者还是太老实了,都觉得会fj会专心打牌
没想到戒严令启动的这么早,视角又要更替了?
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发表于 2024-11-21 23:35 | 显示全部楼层
第三轮选no?很好理解,可以理一下波克森的思路
前两轮目的和力量几乎是必选的,因为QA能提供的答案太空泛了,QB第一轮选了也无效,目的和力量是可以最快获取最多信息量的选择
第三轮选no?,最主要的原因是子方的yes和joker进了墓地,此时对波克森最坏的情况就是r和x均在后面的轮次进墓地,剩下no作为答案,那么此时选no?提前了解可能的后果是很合理的
而第四轮是必须要预留给选D回手一张答案的,所以要了解自己手里剩下那张no会导致什么结果,这是唯一的时机了
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发表于 2024-11-21 23:35 | 显示全部楼层
如果继续打下去波最后一张牌应该是R 然后自主换了YES入伙  这大概是莫莲娜理想中的情况 不知道这一打断有没有变故就是
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发表于 2024-11-22 00:39 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
看到这儿突然发觉这个打牌心理战实际上对四王子这帮老同学堪称特攻,这帮人对老四忠诚度本身就一般,惜命,最高追求是自保,并且作为对念能力几乎一无所知还被排除到一二层之外的小团体迫切需要情报
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发表于 2024-11-22 05:33 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
有可能镜头转到其他视角讲特殊戒严令的问题,按道理九王子的行动没那么迅速,黑帮家族的战斗也没那么快开始,无论是酷拉的第二期教学还是旋律凯撒的计划都没有进度到必须特殊戒严令的情况。
估计讲完之后镜头再切回来,波克森同意入伙。
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发表于 2024-11-22 09:19 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
更想和墨莲娜造爱了
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发表于 2024-11-22 09:31 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 一心而用 于 2024-11-22 10:35 编辑

408贴吧转述的英肉剧透
首先本话提到,卡金王族会不定期到各个村落开银趴,被选上的人没日没夜侍奉,然后被带到艾依依的管理机构去待产,这些生下来的小孩,血统没问题的成为二线者,未来有机会领导三大家族,有问题的成为“肉“,大概就是当牲口养。
重点来了...墨莲娜其实属于肉。她顶替了真正的二线者墨莲娜,真的墨莲娜已经在她坟墓里了。
至于她的目的,小目标是覆灭卡金,大目标是人类灭绝,所以大规模传染是必要手段,招募波克森是她的特质系能力类型适合管理大量感染者。不过与此同时狗狗侠还在找其他特质系潜力者,也就是波克森并非不能替代,时间拖久了对波克森也有风险。
不过船上管制后狗狗侠应该很难继续行动,会给波克森争取更多时间,打牌打到410.
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发表于 2024-11-22 09:48 | 显示全部楼层
卡金王国这么开趴是不是也有可能是回锅肉国王的念兽能力
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发表于 2024-11-22 10:43 | 显示全部楼层
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408英肉 文字版全文:
HXH 408 tl
Page1
No.408 Negotiation part 2
[Morena]
It's your turn.
Choose a card.
Page2
The negotiation game begins.
[Morena]
The "Purpose" card, huh? Why did you choose this one?
[Borksen]
Huh? Is casual chatting okay? In that case, I'll talk about various things too, but there's no punishment, right?
Page3
[Morena]
Sure.
Let's take this opportunity to get to know each other better.
[Borksen]
Hey, are there other members too?
About 50 people in total?
[Morena]
Hehe, nice try. They will never speak.
For your information there are others, but... no more questions. If you want to ask, use a card.
[Borksen]
Of course, I chose the "Purpose" card to use it as a basis for my decisions.
Well then, I won't answer any of your questions either.
[Morena]
Aww... that's a bit sad...
Alright, if you answer one of my questions, you can ask me one in return.
[Borksen]
Thanks.
Number of allies are fewer than 50...
She reacted quickly without her expression stiffening, so the number isn't quite close... It might be about half...
[Morena]
My "Purpose" is the destruction of the Kingdom of Kakin. Once that's achieved, I'm planning to push for the destruction of humanity.
For that, I need your power.
Page4
[Borksen]
Huh?
[Morena]
Huh?
[Borksen]
You didn’t explain enough at all.
If 100 is full understanding, then I'd say we're at about a 3 right now.
[Morena]
Oh... I see you're quite curious.
Should I start by talking about my background then?
Are you familiar with "Nisen mono?"
[Borksen]
Yes, you're referring to royalty who don't have the right to inherit the throne, like you.
[Morena]
The real Morena Prudor was indeed like that... but I’m not even royalty.
The true Morena is in my grave.
[Borksen]
Huh?
Then... who exactly are you?
[Morena]
"Carnival" and "Blasphemy." – do these clues help you understand?
[Borksen]
"Festival Orphans"… I see.
"Carnival"
The Kakin royal festival, held once every few years,
takes place in a randomly selected village.
The royal entourage visits incognito to host a "banquet."
All villagers chosen are then immediately divided into two groups: "those who serve" and "others."
"Blasphemy."
Any act that disrespects the royal family is strictly forbidden, and those who violate this will be sentenced to the death penalty.
Before the modern era, even direct speech from lower officials or commoners looking directly at the royal family were punishable by death. Even with the progress of democratization today, acts such as contraception, abortion, or genetic testing related to the royal family are considered acts of rebellion and disrespect toward the royal lineage, resulting in immediate execution.

Page9
[Morena]
Yes, while Nen abilities are indeed similar to psychic powers, anyone can learn them with the right training…
There are also abilities that can awaken Nen in people who haven't yet realized it.
My ability includes that as well.
So, you won’t need to undergo long, special training.
[Borksen]
I See.
So, could you tell me specifically what your ability is?
[Morena]
Yes,
My ability, to put it simply, is to grant powers to those who share the same "goal" as me and expand that circle.
I am the "parent," and the "children" are limited to 22.
When the children accumulate a certain amount of points, they can become parents themselves and create their own children.
This is my ability…Hehe
It’s kind of like a pyramid scheme, right?
I listen to each child's "goal" and, considering their characteristics, I assist and support their ability awakening.
[Borksen]
Clever...
The structure of the explanation is such that no matter whether I choose "goal" or "ability" first, I’d want to know the other.
If I had chosen "ability" first, she wouldn’t have explained any further from here...!
Honestly… we...
No, I...
I don't really care about missions, responsibilities, or national defense once Kakin is gone.
It’s uncomfortable and troubling to have our daily lives, which we thought would continue as usual, and the vague future ahead of us, suddenly disrupted by someone else’s grand ambition.
Oh
Each of them...?
Isn't the goal "Kakin's downfall"?
Page10
[Borksen]
By the time I was old enough to understand things, I was already in a military academy, taught that my mission was to protect the integrity of the nation. But honestly, I thought, "If no war breaks out until I die, that's good enough."
I was skilled enough to luckily make it into the advanced officer academy.
Listening to popular songs from enemy nations was a life-threatening act, but in high school classes, we were taught about the "outside world" as part of the curriculum, even if the information was a few months outdated.
A country with the world's lowest water management rate, yet somehow leading the world in the partial production of stratospheric artificial objects and information processing capacity...
In such a nation, I had planned to live a modest, uneventful life within a small range of roles, like a frontier military prep school instructor or a deputy director in the General Affairs Office of the Ministry of Defense—positions like fourth secretary or below.
...That's why all of this is incredibly troubling.
With Beyond's New Continent Declaration, the situation suddenly took a drastic turn for the worse.
And now, on top of that—Nen abilities and the extinction of humanity…!
[Morena]
"The downfall of Kakin” is merely my own “small goal."
What unites us in our larger purpose is "killing people"...!
Whether directly or indirectly, it doesn’t matter.
Each of us has different reasons, circumstances, targets, or numbers. Those are our individual "small goals"...
[Borsken]
I sympathize with your background, but...
Even if there were someone I wished would disappear from my life, I’ve never considered choosing "murder" as the means to achieve that.
It’s good to know that you’re being honest, and that I can’t sympathize with your "goal" at all...
Using that information, I’ll—
[Morena]
These Nen abilities are greatly influenced by each individual's personality and state of mind.
[Borsken]
I will do whatever it takes to avoid this chaos!!
Page11
[Borksen]
You mentioned that Nen abilities are strongly tied to a person's personality, right?
So, how do you know that my unawakened ability is important, when you barely know anything about me?
Are you hiding your true intentions behind rhetoric like "everyone is special,"
simply to make the person you're negotiating with believe that "I am special"? Could it be just a negotiation tactic?
[Morena]
You are a Specialist.
Nen abilities are broadly divided into six categories.
You belong to the very rare Specialist category within those.
I have an ally who is an Enhancer.
He has enhanced his sense of smell and gained the ability to "detect abilities."
Currently, his power has reached a level where he can distinguish even the faintest aura from an unawakened person.
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[Morena]
And he is still searching the ship for unawakened Specialists like you.
I’ve done my own research, so there might be some margin of error, but I believe that Specialists are about one in every 3,000 people.
You should be able to understand what this means, right?
It’s true that Specialists are relatively rare abilities,
but on this ship, it wouldn’t be surprising if there were another 50 to 60 people with such abilities.
It would be ideal if we could find someone among them who shares the same "greater goal" as us.
At that point, it wouldn’t matter if it’s you or not.
In fact, he has already encountered several awakened Specialists.
One of them, he was especially excited about—apparently, he's a Floor Master of the Sky Arena, a well-known figure in the martial arts world.
The reason I said that the longer the negotiation drags on, the higher the risk for you, is because of that.
That’s all the explanation I have regarding the abilities.
[Borksen]
I'd like to hear more details about the Specialist category.
Especially, I’d like to know what kind of ability you would give me if you were to grant me one.
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[Morena]
Hmm, that's a question closely tied to the "Yes?" and "No?" cards...
Let me first explain about the Specialist category.
To put it very simply, Specialists are incredibly versatile.
Other categories, like Transmuters, might struggle to learn abilities from other categories, such as Manipulators, due to practical limitations. But Specialists don’t have those kinds of restrictions.
If I had to mention a downside, it would be that Specialists sometimes don’t even realize their true potential and end up mastering another category, only to regret it later. That’s a common issue for those in the Specialist category.
So, if you're aware from the start that you're a Specialist, you can attempt high-difficulty techniques that require mastering multiple categories at a high level, or even abilities that don't belong to any category at all—truly unique, specialized powers.
By the way, I am also a user of a Specialist ability.
My ability, which makes acquiring Nen abilities and improving techniques point-based through becoming my ally, is a very unique and advanced hybrid technique—essentially a mix of all five other categories. It’s quite specialized and complex.
Naturally, I have specific requests for your ability, but I can’t share you just yet due to the card and its interaction.
Sorry about that.
If you specify the "Yes?" card, I will reveal what kind of ability I would want you to acquire should you choose to join the team.
This is less of a question about Nen abilities and more about the role you would be expected to fulfill once you become a part of the team.
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[Morena]
Okay?
[Borksen]
Okay.
……No matter which card I draw from the remaining four, the number of choices will not change.
It seems that for any question other than Question A, she will answer to some extent even after the card is sent to the graveyard... It’s always beneficial to have more information about the opponent, but... the time risk she mentioned is also true... The decision of whether to drag out the game or not will come when the options are limited.
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[Morena]
Oh... What a shame.
Has the decision been made that you won't join our team after the second card?"
[Bokusen( I dont know her English name)]
Her teammates are also disappointed... This further confirms that, at the very least, they haven't witnessed any cheating in the past...!
But optimism is not an option.
The real question is whether she ever had this negotiation game with someone who doesn't want to join her team...! If I’m the first, then those reaction is natural!"
Well, it can't be helped... I'll do my best until the end.
There is definitely a difference between 'No' and 'X'.
Don’t you want to know the difference?
[Borksen]
Yes
I'll follow your lead. With 'No?'card.
[Morena]
OK.
If the 'No?' card is left, I'll explain what happens next
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[Morena]
The most important thing is the difference between the two, as I just mentioned.
'No' means you won't become our ally.
Whereas 'X' means the game itself becomes invalid.
'No' is considered a firm declaration of your intention, a rejection without turning back, a complete separation from us."
[Bokusen( I dont know her English name)]
So far, this is as expected... In the end, 'Yes' and 'No' are the same...
If it's a choice between 'Yes' and 'No', then 'Yes' is the only option... a kind of threatening moment meant to make you feel like there's no alternative…
[Morena]
…Basically, you and the people around you are seen as 'not part of our group.' To us, you're just part of the crowd... mere points to be used in order to achieve our 'purpose' and enhance our 'abilities.'"
I will no longer try to recruit you... however,
now that you've learned our secrets, we cannot simply let you leave without consequences.
[Borksen]
She’s saying that here, right?
In that case, it seems that the option for 'X' was never really in our hand to begin with.
The third trap...
The game itself is all a trap...!!
To make me say "Yes"...!!

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[Morena]
If it were the "X" card, the situation where you learned our secret would be the same,
but we would consider the fact that you learned the secret—along with everything else—to be null and void.
This doesn't mean "erasing your memory," but rather that we trust you and will consider everything that happened here as if it never occurred. We will avoid any further contact with you as much as possible.
I won’t distort "everything as if it never happened" and, when we meet again, I won’t cheat by saying, "Nice to meet you, let’s play a game."
And, I will also make every effort to avoid involving the people around you.
Specifically, we will cross-reference the information we have obtained with the people you care about, share it with our group, and make every effort to avoid them.
Given the nature of our "goal," the most accurate expression would be "delaying them as much as possible," though.
[Borksen]
To save time, I'll ask directly.
There seems to be no benefit for you in the "X" card, and the risks are high! Even if you say "trust me," I can't trust you.
Could you explain the advantages on your side so that I can understand?
[Morena]
I'm glad you asked. I'll explain now,
but it will take a bit longer... The advantage on our side is that "the risk is high.”
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[Borksen]
I see... a vow and a restriction... high risk, high reward.
[Morena]
In Nen abilities, this is a very important component.
If the negotiation fails after a serious showdown, it can't be helped.
Even if it involves great risks, I will accept it.
By preparing myself with this resolve and facing the game, my ability will grow stronger, allowing me to better support my allies.
The same applies to those who join our team.
By overcoming the risk that "if the last remaining card is 'No,' he dies," the bond and effectiveness will grow even stronger…!
...You're not very shaken
That's impressive.
I think it will get quite real when there are only two cards left, don't you?
Now, go ahead.
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[Borksen]
With this,
the remaining cards are
'No (Death)' and 'R (Survival)'...!!
[Ship announcement]
Martial Law Declared!!!
Martial Law Declared!!!
This is not a drill!!!
I repeat!!!
This is not a drill!!!
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发表于 2024-11-22 11:16 | 显示全部楼层
就不的 发表于 2024-11-20 23:08
沐易部落那个分析吧,我觉得司法局把爱依依家划成平民以及基地位置确实能对的上凯撒玩过这个游戏然后**纵了 ...

沐易部落那个分析的很精彩,我看了好几遍,感觉说的挺像那么回事的。
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发表于 2024-11-22 11:23 | 显示全部楼层
### 全职猎人408话ai翻译:  
**第1页**  
**No.408 谈判 第二部分**  
【莫雷纳】  
轮到你了。  
选一张卡吧。  

**第2页**  
谈判游戏开始。  
【莫雷纳】  
是“目的”卡啊?为什么选了这张?  
【博尔克森】  
哈?可以随意聊聊吗?那我也可以谈一些其他的事情吧,不过没有惩罚,对吧?  

**第3页**  
【莫雷纳】  
当然。  
借这个机会互相了解一下吧。  
【博尔克森】  
嘿,这里还有其他成员吗?一共有大概50个人?  
【莫雷纳】  
呵呵,真会试探。他们是不会说话的。  
不过呢,确实有其他人,但……没有更多问题了。如果你想问,就用卡片来问吧。  
【博尔克森】  
当然,我选“目的”卡是想以此为决策的依据。  
那么,我也不会回答你的任何问题。  
【莫雷纳】  
啊……有点可惜呢……  
好吧,如果你回答我的一个问题,那你也可以问我一个问题。  
【博尔克森】  
谢谢。  
盟友的数量少于50……  
她反应很快,表情也没有僵硬,所以这个数量并不接近实际值……可能是大约一半左右……  
【莫雷纳】  
我的“目的”是摧毁卡金王国。在实现这一目标后,我计划推动人类的灭亡。  
为此,我需要你的力量。  

**第4页**  
【博尔克森】  
哈?  
【莫雷纳】  
哈?  
【博尔克森】  
你完全没解释清楚。  
如果100是完全理解的话,那我觉得现在我们只有3。  
【莫雷纳】  
哦……看起来你很好奇呢。  
要我先说说我的背景吗?  
你知道“赝品”这个词吗?  
【博尔克森】  
是指像你这样没有继承权的王族吧。  
【莫雷纳】  
真正的莫雷纳·普鲁多确实是那样……但我根本就不是王族。  
真正的莫雷纳早已在我的坟墓里了。  
【博尔克森】  
哈?  
那……你到底是谁?  
【莫雷纳】  
“狂欢”和“亵渎”——这些提示能帮你理解吗?  
【博尔克森】  
“狂欢孤儿”……我明白了。  

**第5页**  
【莫雷纳】  
是的,虽然念能力确实类似于超能力,但任何人都可以通过训练学会……  
也有一些能力可以让尚未觉醒念能力的人觉醒。  
我的能力也包括这一点。  
所以你不需要经历漫长的特别训练。  
【博尔克森】  
明白了。  
那你能具体说说你的能力是什么吗?  
【莫雷纳】  
好啊,  
简单来说,我的能力是赋予与我有相同“目标”的人力量,并扩大这个圈子。  
我是“父母”,而“子女”的数量限制为22个。  
当这些“子女”积累了一定点数后,他们可以成为“父母”并创建自己的“子女”。  
这就是我的能力……呵呵,有点像金字塔模式,对吧?  
我会根据每个“子女”的目标和特点,协助他们觉醒能力。  
【博尔克森】  
真聪明……  
不管是“目标”还是“能力”,她的解释方式都让我想了解另一个。  
如果我先选了“能力”,她不会进一步解释吧……!  
老实说……我们……  
不,我……  
一旦卡金不存在了,我根本不在乎什么使命、责任或国家防御。  
我们本以为的日常生活和模糊的未来,被别人的宏大野心打破了,真是让人不安和烦恼。  

(更多部分译文会按照顺序补充,您也可以指定重点页数)
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发表于 2024-11-22 11:34 | 显示全部楼层
流连成双 发表于 2024-11-22 00:39
看到这儿突然发觉这个打牌心理战实际上对四王子这帮老同学堪称特攻,这帮人对老四忠诚度本身就一般,惜命, ...

其实波克森一等兵(准协会成员)并不是四王子的朋友,把四王子当朋友的是5个私设兵二等兵。其中奥特辛和4王子的关系最特别。波克森是这5个人以及伍长以及蒂塔的朋友。四王子的5个朋友为了维持朋友关系希望保持现状,而波克森一直都想当国家公务员。
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发表于 2024-11-22 12:11 | 显示全部楼层
波克森的自白说明她是一个纯粹的日子人,比杨德的大计都给她的人生规划带来巨大的困扰,更何况莫莲娜的灭世计划了,比起对主君的忠诚,这更燃起了她的对抗意识
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发表于 2024-11-22 12:56 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
西团打架打了一卷,波墨打牌打了半卷
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发表于 2024-11-22 14:08 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 中二小旋风 于 2024-11-22 15:10 编辑

关于这个银趴的时间就很有考究

莫是银趴孤儿收容所98届的入住员,最新是20届,届的数字是年的最后两位,所以年份应该是1998-2020。

莫之后还有7届银趴。虽说不定期举行,也就是平均3年一次。

莫用了20年最近才成为爱家首领,和时间对一下,也就是最近也举行过

而莫口中银趴的开催者是“王室成员”,而不是说“王”,所以参加者并不只有回锅肉一个,

又因为卡金王室每次继位都要死斗剩下1位,所有王室成员其实并没有那些王爷王叔之类的。那剩下的参加者就只能是王子们了(王妃也有可能)

那按照王子们的年龄和上面举行的时间,很可能只有刚出生的14王子是干净无罪的。(说银趴只是图个方便,不一定要xxoo,也有可能就是单纯的折磨行为)

在大胆猜测一下,14王妃说王子们在成长过程中都会进行一些符合王者的教育,接受不了的下场很惨。这些银趴有可能是王者教育的一环(比如让王子们见证这些惨无人道的宴会,让他们心灵产生巨大的不安,再通过诉说弱肉强食的合理性,再让他们亲手参与,体会掠夺者的立场所带来的感受,通过认同“自己将来绝对是王者,而不是被掠夺者”来获得心灵的安堵)

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发表于 2024-11-22 14:46 | 显示全部楼层
还有莫的精神状态。

按照她说的身世,走到现在的想让卡金制度夸台,也算正常。但她的最终目标是毁灭人类,这就有点过了。

我猜测她可能还经历过一些导致人格崩溃的事。比如说真正的莫莲拿就是她杀死取代的。她发现自己受环境所迫后,和那些加害者也没有区别。最终导致人格崩溃,并产生终极的自杀倾向——毁灭全人类(包含自己)

特别是上一话表现过莫是主体性非常强的人,她很可能不会把自己为势所迫的杀人归咎到环境,而是归咎到自身选择,导致自毁倾向。

目前的爱衣家族家族成员估计都有这种自毁倾向。所以他们才能各自有各自的小的目标(比如毁灭卡金或者其他),但最终又能以毁灭人类的目标(毁灭自己)结合起来。这也是为什么他们在接吻前都进行过自相残杀的仪式,而且成员们都愿意这么做。


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发表于 2024-11-22 15:34 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
就是精神病报社集合体嘛。不过以目前墨莲娜的组织实力来说,别说毁灭世界了,就是杀几个王子都费劲。不知道富坚接下来要怎么安排墨莲娜获得毁灭世界的实力。

—— 来自 鹅球 v3.0.86-alpha
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