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tv138
Does the farmer get compensation in incidents like this?
在这样的事故中，农民能得到赔偿吗?0
Thugmander
With the Su-30MKI crash today and the Tejas falling out of the sky the other month. India's air force is nowhere ready for any war. In peaceful time training and operation they are having so much problems, and don't even get me started on the logistics to repair and build new jets to replace because literally every important components are imported.
今天苏- 30mki坠毁，前几个月光辉战机从天上掉下来。印度空军还没有做好任何战争的准备。在和平时期的训练和作战中，他们遇到了很多问题，更不用说维修和建造新飞机的后勤了，因为几乎所有重要部件都是进口的。0
I honestly think China's 560+ J-10's fleet alone (1/5 of China's fighter jets) would wipe the floor with the entire IAF. China won't even need to bring in their more advanced jets like the J-11Bs, J-15s, J-16s, J-20s. And don't say China never reports their crashes or never gets flight hours training. Because if navigational satellites these days can detect stationary jets at an airbase (like china's current J-20 near India's border recently), then it is even easier to detect a plane crash that will be releasing heat signature as well as a tones of smoke. Regarding the flight hours, ** is reporting everyday that 20, 30, 50+ PLA jets were detected near their island, so they definitely do have flight experience. ** also never claim to be able to detect the J-20 5th generation stealth fighter like India does despite them having the U.S patriot systems and more advanced radars. Maybe that IAF general had a dream and he though it was real.
老实说，我认为中国560多架歼-10战机(占中国战斗机的1/5)就能打败整个印度空军。中国甚至不需要采用更先进的飞机，比如歼11b、歼15、歼16、歼20。不要说中国从不报告坠机事故，也不要说中国从未接受过飞行时数训练。因为如果如今的导航卫星可以探测到空军基地停留的喷气式飞机(比如中国目前在印度边境附近的J-20)，那么探测飞机坠毁就更容易了，因为飞机坠毁会释放出热量信号和烟雾。至于飞行时数，tw每天报告说在他们的岛屿附近发现了20、30、50多架解放军飞机，所以他们肯定有飞行经验。TW也从未像印度那样声称能够探测到J-20第五代隐形战斗机，尽管他们拥有美国爱国者系统和更先进的雷达。也许那个空军将军当时做了个梦，他以为那是真的。1
arogyaSetuAPP
A lot has crashed in maharshtra today
Pls Tolerate the humour against our brothers.
今天马哈拉施特拉邦发生了很多事故，
请容忍这种不利于我们兄弟的幽默。0
SIR_COCK_LORD69
Sometimes i try to think why our govt placed such a huge order for this pile of junk. Then i realised our govt has already signed a deal to co produce stryker which is on way to get phased out by its country of origin.
有时候我在想，为什么我们的政府要下这么大的订单买这些垃圾。然后我意识到，我们的政府已经签署了一项合作生产斯特瑞克的协议，而斯特瑞克即将被其原产国淘汰。0
PralaySRBM
This is hardly the 2nd Su30 MKI crash that happened post ROH by HAL.
These are machines at the end of the day, failures can happen.
这已经是第二起印度空军在印度斯坦航空有限公司进行维修后发生的苏-30 MKI战机坠毁事件了。
说到底，这些只是机器，难免会出现故障。0
SIR_COCK_LORD69
2 would have been understandable if we had an inventory of 1000, which we clearly dont have.
如果我们有1000架战机库存，发生两起坠毁事故可能还可以理解，但显然我们并没有这么多战机。0
YoungWolf921
Test flight after undergoing overhaul by HAL. Not a good look for HAL but glad that the pilots are safe.
在印度斯坦航空有限公司进行翻修后的试飞。这对HAL的形象并不好，但很高兴飞行员们安全无恙。0
[dexed]
Great, now we have to make 13 Su 30s.
At least the pilot and co-pilot are safe.
太好了，现在我们要造13架苏30。
至少飞行员和副驾驶是安全的。0
Automatic_Dance_3206
Hope the pilot is safe and no one is injured
希望飞行员安全，没有人受伤。0
Androtaurus
Pilot and Co pilot ejected safely
驾驶员和副驾驶员安全弹射。
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Automatic_Dance_3206
That's good
很好。0
meemy00
bystanders ?
围观人员呢？0
modakpriya
Pilot is safe.
We should strongly consider outsourcing airforce ops to the US or France.
The IAF has failed on all fronts from what I can tell, but please feel free to correct me.
I see no reason to maintain this branch of the military anymore. It's not like they can do much with 30 year old Su30s and 65 year old MiG21s.
Just throw in the towel, you can't even keep planes aloft during peace time, war mein kya hoga bhagwan jaane.
飞行员安全是最重要的。
我们应该认真考虑将空军作战外包给美国或法国。
据我所知，印度空军在各个方面都表现不佳，但请随时纠正我。
我认为没有理由再维持这个军种了。他们用30年前的苏-30和65年前的米格-21不太可能有什么作为。
干脆投降吧，甚至在和平时期都无法让飞机维持飞行，战争时会怎样，只有上帝知道。0
khaz_
Calm down. Fighter jets go down for all sorts of reasons.
This is common to literally every air force on the planet.
冷静下来。战斗机坠毁可能有各种各样的原因。这几乎是世界上每支空军都会面对的情况。0
101ScreaminEagles
You're being extremely dumb bruh , take it from me and calm down. This is the first Su30 crash since 2019. So calm down. These 260 Su30s are the backbone of Air force CAPs and they're flying to extreme limits every single day. There's no fighter in the world with a crash free record. I think it's a pretty good record that a Su30 crash hasn't happened in over 5 years considering all the workload being put on these squadrons. Your average IAF pilot hasuch greater number of flying hours than an avg NATO pilot.
你太蠢了兄弟，听我的，冷静点。这是自2019年以来Su30首次坠毁。所以冷静点。这260架su30是空军cap（战斗空中巡逻）的中坚力量，它们每天都在极限飞行。世界上没有哪款飞机没有坠毁记录。考虑到这些中队的工作量，我认为Su30在5年多的时间里没有发生过坠机，这是一个很好的记录。印度空军飞行员的平均飞行时数比北约飞行员的平均飞行时数要多得多。0
The last mig21 squadron is retiring this year.
最后一个米格21中队将于今年退役。0
The IAF works with whatever is given to it , MRFA is not making any headway , 83 Tejas are on order but delivery on part of HAL is slow , AMCA exists on paper and Tejas Mk2 is indefinitely delayed due to technical reasons. The decision makers are the babus and the government, not the IAF. IAF has been asking for MRFA only to be yelled at by babus and government .
印度空军什么都要做，MRFA没有取得任何进展，83架光辉战机已经订购，但HAL的部分交付速度很慢，AMCA存在于纸面上，光辉Mk2由于技术原因无限期推迟。决策的是老爷和政府，而不是印度空军。印度空军一直在要求MRFA，结果遭到了老爷和政府的斥责。0
This particular Su 30 which crashed as infact overhauled by the HAL.
Now stop speaking from your arse and take a chill pill.
PS- the oldest Su30 in the IAF's fleet is not 30 years old.
这架坠毁的苏30实际上是由HAL大修的。
别胡说八道了，冷静点。
PS——印度空军最老的苏30还不到30岁。0
HMSVanguard
Yeah,USAF should also consider retiring and scraping every plane since F16, F35, F15s and F22 crash atleast once per year.
They should outsource everything to RAF and France
Since they're fighters(all hundred of them) have great safety record
是的，美国空军也应该考虑退役和报废所有的飞机，因为F16、F35、f15和F22每年至少坠毁一次。
他们应该把一切都外包给英国皇家空军和法国。
因为后者在战斗机(总共数百架)领域有很好的安全记录。
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Temporal_Shiva
They can afford to lose one out of 1,000+ f-35s when they make more than 100 per year, as humanity’s largest economy it doesn’t even register it’s just the cost of business. Dumb comparison, we can’t even finalize MRFA for more than a decade, we’re desperately cobbling mirages back together.
他们生产每年100多架F-35战斗机，拥有1000多架，因为他们是全球最大的经济体，所以损失一架并不算什么，这就是商业成本。愚蠢的对比。这与我们的情况不可同日而语，我们甚至不能在十多年内确定MRFA项目，我们正在拼命的让Mirage战斗机保持完整。0
HMSVanguard
It's sarcasm on his brainless comment
And we have problem in squadron strength because we're trying to built ecosystem of aviation industry
So, next decade will be much smoother for us
这是对他无脑评论的讽刺，
我们在中队力量方面存在问题因为我们试图建立航空工业的生态系统，
所以，下一个十年对我们来说将会更加顺利。0
Tipra_Atpug
Didn't someone just drop a f35 in the ocean and also crash one ? Wink wink
刚才不是有人把一架F35战机扔了进海里，还坠毁了一架吗? 眨眨眼睛。
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shady1903
Dumbest shit I have ever heard on this subreddit.... Ek jet crash hua 4-5 saal mei to pura iaf hi hata do bc chutiya hai kya... Apne ops USA ya France ko dene ka mtlb bht bada hole apne security mei mtlb dimag hai ya bhusa? USA chor hai ekdum humare kandhe pe bandook rakh ke goli chalaega.
这是我在这个论坛上听到的最愚蠢的话……一架飞机在4-5年内坠毁就要解雇整个印度空军吗？这是什么蠢话……让美国或法国接管我们的行动，意味着在我们的安全上留下很大的漏洞，你那是脑袋还是木头啊？美国是小偷，他们会在靠着我们的肩膀的时候，把枪口对着我们。0
Terror_alien
Is Su 30 showing it's age?
苏30老态尽显？0
Androtaurus
It was reportedly running a test flight after HAL overhaul, su 30 is showing desi jugaad behaviour
据报道，在HAL大修后进行了试飞，苏30表现出了“德里小聪明”的行为。
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SamHamFP
Maintenance mishap from HAL's side, IAF had handed it over to HAL for overhaul and it crashed during a test flight
HAL方面的维护事故，印度空军将其移交给HAL进行大修，并在试飞期间坠毁。0
ihavemorehumidity
it was gone for overhaul
它是去检修的。
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SamHamFP
yeah
对啊。0
LordOfChaos123
The airfrxs will be fine for a while especially with the life extension program planned, it's nothing like the Mig-21 yet. As mentioned it was after a HAL overhaul test flight, something must have gone wrong.
机身在一段时间内会很好，特别是随着寿命延长计划的实施，它还不如米格-21。如前所述，在HAL大修试飞之后，一定是出了什么问题。0
Soviet_Bear78
We need to wait for the official investigation before commenting.
我们需要等待官方调查后再发表评论。0
Ultimo_Ninja
The IAF is running low on fighter jets, and still no make in India Rafale deal has been signed. Let's hope a war doesn't break out. India is clearly not ready for one.
印度空军的战斗机不多了，印度制造的阵风战机协议还没有签署。希望战争不会爆发。印度显然还没有准备好。0
PannEromba
Tbh we won’t stand a chance if we go to war now with china. We got stuck in tejas for decades while they are already in the production phase of J-20s.
如果我们现在和ZG开战，我们毫无胜算。我们被光辉战机困了几十年，而他们已经处于J-20的生产阶段。0
kaiveg
Under current conditions none will be signed.
Dassault will never agree to take responsibility for local production as long as they don't have at least partial operational control of manufacturing. And their position makes sense.
在目前的情况下，不会签署任何协议。
达索公司永远不会同意以本地生产负责任，除非他们至少在制造方面拥有部分运作控制权。而且他们的立场是合理的。0
Unhappy_Natural_278
I'm hoping we find their replacement soon before the airfrxs and other things start showing their age. I don't want to see these brave and skilled pilots getting injured or dying like many did because of mig-21 just because the people in the government and air force can't procure new jets or produce them.
我希望我们能在机身和其他东西开始老化之前尽快找到它们的替代品。我不想看到这些勇敢和熟练的飞行员受伤或死亡，就像许多人因为米格-21而受伤或死亡一样，只是因为政府和空军中的人无法采购或生产新的飞机。0
BlueSpirit1998
Latest "FLYING COFFINS" of IAF ?!! ☠️
印度空军最新的“飞行棺材”？！！0
imperial_g_s
HAL did some modifics and IAF we doing a test flight
ig it didnt work out eh ?
HAL做了一些修改，印度空军做了一次试飞，但没有成功，是吗?0
esparian7
Don't speak with half baked knowledge
不要用半懂不懂的知识说话。0
101ScreaminEagles
The last crash was in 2019, so this is happening after 5 years, that's a pretty good record
上一次坠毁是在2019年，所以这次是在5年后发生的，这是一个相当不错的记录。0
Routine_Ad4981
India faces a shortage in squadrons, and we lose this many fighters in peacetime, with a slow replacement rate.
instead of gaining squadron numbers, we are losing them in peacetime.
印度面临着中队短缺的问题，我们在和平时期失去了这么多战斗机，而且更新速度很慢。
在和平时期，我们不但没有增加中队数量，反而在减少中队数量。0
LordOfChaos123
Imagine what the loss rate vs replacement rate would be in wartime
想象一下战时的损失率和更新率会是怎样。0
RandomRedditor1405
What are those grey lines on the field ?
田地里的那些灰线是什么?0
HMSVanguard
Seems like crops in the field
Can't remember the name
似乎是田地里的庄稼，
想不起名字了。0
AtharvTandel
Underneath is an irrigation pipe - to reduce the evaporation of water.
下面是灌溉管道，以减少水的蒸发。
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manishsahoo300
It's a drip irrigation system with plastic cover to reduce evaporation from soil. Indian farmers are adopting these new irrigation techniques for some time. It drastically reduces the water and fertilizers requirement up to 90%.
这是一个有塑料覆盖的滴灌系统，可以减少土壤的蒸发。印度农民采用这些新的灌溉技术已有一段时间了。它**减少了水和肥料需求，高达90%。0
Baldwin_Alweard
Guys Indian pilots fly at least 125 hours per year. These frxs are quite old, I don’t understand why the government is hesitating in procuring the MRFA fighters. They are a need of the hour for us. The government thinks with more time we will get better offers but as time goes on we will lose the standing offers and maybe receive poor offers which will make the planes expensive and bad deals.
印度飞行员每年至少飞行125小时。这些飞机相当老旧，我不明白为什么政府在采购多用途战斗机方面犹豫不决。这对我们来说是当务之急。政府认为给予更多时间会得到更好的报价，但随着时间的推移，我们将失去已有的报价，可能会得到较差的报价，这将使飞机变得昂贵且交易不利。0
LordOfChaos123
Might be avoiding a big spend before the election. I hope at least with it over with we start moving on major deals, but lack of a strong majority would throw a wrench in it. Not politics here, just realistic.
可能是为了避免在大选前发生大笔开支。我希望至少在大选结束后，我们开始着手进行重大交易，但缺乏强有力的多数席位会给它带来麻烦。我说的不是政治，只是现实。0
Baldwin_Alweard
The deal has been on the table for 20 years dude
这事已经谈了20年了。0
Scary_One_2452
Guys Indian pilots fly at least 1500 hours per year
伙计们，印度飞行员每年至少飞行1500小时。0
If they did fly 1500 hours per year on fighters then each su-30 would have only lasted 3 years. Each mig-29 would have lasted 1 and a half years. And rafales would almost be at end of life already.
如果他们每年飞行1500小时，那么每架苏-30只能用3年。每架米格-29只能用一年半。而阵风战机的寿命几乎已经结束。
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Actually typical standard flying hours sub 200 for an average nation. NATO standard is 180 hours but half of German pilots failed to meet even that mark, back in 2022 iirc. When the **ese had maintenance issues with their mirage 2000s they dialed them back to around 60 flight hours per year.
实际上，一个普通国家的标准飞行时间低于200小时。北约的标准是180小时，但在2022年，一半的德国飞行员连这个标准都达不到。当台湾人的幻影2000出现维护问题时，他们把它们调回到每年60小时左右的飞行时间。0
1500 per year on a fighter is unheard of.
战斗机每年1500小时的飞行时间闻所未闻。0
Baldwin_Alweard
Sorry my mistake, read somewhere that they fly around 1500 hrs within 10 years. Just verified it. This includes all the planes and not just Su-30.
抱歉我的错，在某个地方读到他们在10年内飞行大约1500小时。刚刚验证过了。这包括所有的飞机，而不仅仅是苏-30。0
Even considering 125 hours per year and considering the planes were procured from 1997 onwards, these planes have already crossed their frxs life time of 3000 hours.
即使考虑到每年125小时，考虑到飞机是从1997年开始采购的，这些飞机已经超过了3000小时的机体寿命。0
Thugmander
Isn't this the almighty jet known around the world as the first and only one able to detect the J-20?
Well, it made the news twice this week already.
这不是世界上第一架也是唯一一架能够探测到J-20的全能战机吗?
嗯，它这周已经上了两次新闻了。0
Thugmander
"Not even one week after claiming to be able to detect the J-20, the Su-30MKI made world headlines again. Nice!"
“在声称能够探测到J-20后不到一周，苏- 30mki再次成为世界头条新闻。奈斯!”0
Thugmander
"Do you really believe that this is the jet capable of detecting the J-20? Besides the words of that IAF minister, there isn't any concrete evidence of it detecting the J-20. And why would India let China know that they can detect their J-20? It's like telling your enemy their biggest weakness, allowing them to improve on it."
“你真的认为这是一种能够探测到歼-20的战机吗?”除了印度空军部长的话，没有任何具体证据表明它探测到了J-20。为什么印度要让中国知道他们可以探测到他们的歼-20? 这就像告诉你的敌人他们最大的弱点，让他们改进它。”
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lambovishnu2407
"Although not as capable as modern AESA radars, Bars No35 PESA radar can detect a 0.001 m2, low observable fighter aircraft, around 90 KM away, so accordingly to track and lock an F-35, that has a RCS of 0.01 m2, the SU-30 MKI will have to be about 45–50 KM away." That is to lock is as well as tracking it. This information can be verified as russian Su30SMs, russian variants of the MKI, often lock onto and jam italian and nato F35s patrolling the black sea. Considering that the f35 has a rcs 4 times lower than that of the J20 "The F-35 has almost four times smaller median RCS than the J-20 at X-band, based on computer simulations" being 0.0015 square meters while the J 20s RCS is 0.01 square meters. It can be interpreted that the Su 30MKIs will be able to track and possibly lock onto the J 20s at a range greater than 70KM and possibly further if the J 20 is carrying droptanks or other underwing payload.
尽管Bars No35 PESA雷达不如现代AESA雷达功能强大，它仍然能够在大约90公里外探测到RCS为0.001平方米的隐身战斗机，因此要跟踪和锁定具有0.01平方米RCS的F-35，SU-30 MKI需要保持大约45-50公里的距离。这是为了进行锁定和跟踪。这些信息可以通过事实核实，因为俄罗斯的Su30SM常常锁定并干扰在黑海巡逻的意大利和北约F35飞机。考虑到F-35在X波段的雷达截面积几乎是J-20的1/4，根据计算机模拟，F-35的雷达截面积为0.0015平方米，而J-20的雷达截面积为0.01平方米。可以解释为SU-30MKI有可能在距离70公里以上跟踪并可能锁定J-20，如果J-20携带外挂油箱或其他机翼下方载荷，探测距离可能更远。0
The person which stated a J20 was tracked by Flankers in the Himalaya region was not a minister but Indian Air Force Chief Marshal Birender Singh Dhanoa. Looking at the evidence present this is very very much possible.
声称一架J20在喜马拉雅地区被“侧卫”跟踪的人不是部长，而是印度空军参谋长比伦德·辛格·达诺阿。从目前的证据来看，这是非常非常有可能的。0
abyjacob1
Did we get to know the reason for tejas crash that happened months back ?
我们知道几个月前光辉战机坠毁的原因了吗?0
Khajiit_on_Skooma
Yes.
是的。0
badboi_5214
Does this happen in India only? fucking every other month.
这种情况只发生在印度吗? 他妈的每隔一个月来一回。0
PralaySRBM
Maybe you have not seen USAF's crash record
也许你没有看过美国空军的坠机记录。
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发表于 2024-6-4 23:22
HAL的传说还在继续
一个月一架是吧，三哥真有钱
