公理边缘2 Axiom Verge 2 突然发售了！

从来不吃青菜

ChengChung 发表于 2021-9-8 12:12
我觉得不管一代还是这一代，敌人都是偏简单而且有特点的（或者说是明显弱点及行动特征的）
比方说一代里 ...

如果重心是探索和类解谜，战斗其实本身是一种选择而不应该是找到解法变得无损。

一代做的思路是这样的，因为本身战斗体验是远程的，很多枪就是在远程子弹变化上玩花样，许多BOSS战还是玩家找个掩体利用正确的子弹机制进行射射射，躲和攻击都可以完成。这没问题。

但在这个思路下，一代确实也有不少武器太谜……除非你养成跑图清小怪时时换武器，否则是很难用的或者出场率很低的。

这种纯关卡的跑图都是在后期给你一个能边跑边攻击范围大的，恶魔城的真空刃，银河战士的回旋跳自带攻击，还是AV1里输入密码才能拿到的火焰枪都是这个思路的体现。你想想AV最后能力拿起给了个罗盘核心，也搞不懂是什么东西……

二代这次改成近战，我觉得无妨，也就是在近战上不好无伤了，所以故意做成碰了也不掉血的，这种都挺好，我不太满意的其实是这代近战中，人形态没有两段跳，无人机形态只有个限定安全的弹射勾索，没有加速跑，没有1代的冲刺，也没有后撤步等，甚至没有两段跳，缺少位移在在跑图和战斗时都因为近战受限了，你自己回忆一下这代里你对付那些会飞的，真的太恶心了……

我是觉得这代关卡真的很好，用心，光探索就很值，也很有醍醐味，但真的……战斗让人一言难尽……

从来不吃青菜

Meltina 发表于 2021-9-8 14:10
青菜大师看懂了，快告诉我最后出现套boss脖子的人是谁

日你，意识应该就是主角自己的，为了保护女儿嘛，这个楼上也说了，理解没问题，
当然也有可能是合体期间留在那边的意识根据合体过程获得了额外的东西，这就不在玩家观测范围里了，怎么猜都行

如果你想问的是为什么剧情里说心跳停止了，但最后关头却看起来没事人一样动起来还可以把羽蛇神勒脖子。那肯定是翼狮身印度人面像，也就是那个主世界AI拉玛苏给搞的啊，从拿到变成雾的那边变成雾从栅栏钻出去，必定触发和拉玛苏的对话，拉玛苏告诉女主地点，女主说你想办法搞定我怎么回到我身体里去。拉玛苏说好，然后身体应该就在拉玛苏控制能力里了，有个文档也说拉玛苏可以在世界各地的终端影响这个世界，估计就是把女主的身体复活了，给意识灌了些汤药，意识就去阻止BOSS了。

wzh5555

11-- 发表于 2021-9-8 12:06
上周末打完了，道具没拿全。

下载了个全道具地图后发现这作也有密码本，是在开游戏的时候按上上下下左右左 ...

密码提示在地图最左边的海滩，有个隐藏提示石碑，用红眼技能扫描就是密码了

gaosf

对两作之间的关联比较在意，虽然两作之间到底什么关系现在还很难确认。在网上找了一下看到Reddit的帖子有些讨论，所以转发过来看看这个作者的推测是否有道理。翻译比较烂，多包涵。
原文链接：https://www.reddit.com/r/axiomve ... d_links_discussion/

*Spoiler* Axiom Verge 1 & 2 lore and links discussion
【剧透】公理边缘1&2设定与关联讨论
Posted by u/Rex_Yaldabaoth

今早（发帖时间8月15日）刚100%通关了公理边缘2，就迫不及待想跟大家讨论一下两作游戏之间的关联，发个帖。
Since I 100% Axiom Verge 2 this morning i've been left wanting to talk about the links between the two games with people, so here's a post to do just that.

首先比较明显的地方是，游戏（一般不特地注明即指公理边缘2）中的2个短笺提到了Trace的名字，分别是《来自Trace的信》和《永别了》。《永别了》比较值得注意，因为这个短笺中提到了Scry（1代的Ophelia提到过这个词），并且暗示Trace在第一次Sundra的旅途之后，因为某些原因回到过地球。此外，由于这个短笺写自Hammond，可以推断，虽然我不确定，这个Hammond很可能是1代的Hammond博士，或者与她相关的人员。
To start with the obvious, 2 notes mention Trace by name, those being "Letter from Trace" and "Goodbye". Goodbye is noteworthy in that it mentions a Scry (which is mentioned by Ophelia in AV1, more on her later) and it implies that trace, after his initial trip to Sudra, returned to earth at some point. Additionally, since this note is written by Hammond, it's a good time to mention that I am unsure if the Hammond in this game is intended to be the same Dr. Hammond mentioned in the first game, or a relative of theirs.

第二点是游戏内容与画面上的关联。第一个地区存在很多与Sundra的外形几乎完全相似的科技造物，包括这个地方的无人机敌人，以及复活房间。另外，几乎所有隙界（即Breach，由于“隙界”是2代的翻译，后面统称“Breach”）的敌人都与一代遇到的敌人高度相似。最后，游戏中经过一段时间后，进入异世界的其他所有人类都感染并变异成类似Xedur的东西。还有一点是，简单总结下来，似乎暴露在Breach中的效果可能就是Athetos所指的“瘟疫”，并且会导致患病者变异。
Secondly, the gameplay and visual links. The final area contains a lot of technology that appears nearly identical to the technology on Sudra. This includes the drone enemies in the area, and the rebirth chambers. Additionally, almost all of the enemies in the breach are highly similar to the enemies encountered in the first game. Finally, over time, all of the other humans on the overworld become ill and mutate into things resembling Xedur. There's a good thread on that here, but to summarise briefly, it seems that the effects of exposure to the breach may have been Athetos' "pathogen" all along, which causes the mutations.

第三，讨论一下Indra和Drushka。Drushka在1代中提到过两次，分别是短笺《外来者》和《信》。Drushka在2代游戏中至少遇到过两次，并且在游戏结局中与Indra默认合作，去寻找一个模式脑（PatternMind）。这点明显非常重要，因为至今为止唯一得到确认的模式脑就是Trace（1代的短笺《匿名引述》中提到“模式大师”已经被阉割）。
Finally, i'd like to talk about Indra and Drushka. Drushka is mentioned twice in the first game, in the notes "The Outsider" and "Letter". Drushka is seen twice in AV2, and at the end of the game is seen potentially teaming up with Indra to find a PatternMind. This is of course important as the only known PatternMind thus far is Trace. ("Anonymous Quote" in 1 mentions that all of the "Masters of Patterns" were castrated).

最后，游戏结局十分明显地暗示Indra就是1代的Ophelia。首先，两者的肖像外形十分相像。其次，Indra提到她已经不再是“Indra”了，暗示她可能会重新取名。另外，Ophellia是一个来自莎士比亚作品的名字，而Indra在短笺《Gloria博士又发飙了》中提到她是莎翁的爱好者。而且Ophelia在莎翁作品中死于溺水，与Indra在游戏开头呼应。还有在1代游戏中，前面提到的短笺《外来者》显示，Ophelia是唯一一个正常说英语的水妖（Rusalki）（而且短笺中提到Rusalki是Elsenova的语言中她们种族的名称，暗示Vykhya这个词不是她们的语言），并且与Drushka有过合作关系。其他证据还有，Ophelia说过她能够进入1代的Breach，而其他水妖无法做到（虽然她可能在撒谎）。最后还有一个证据就是，2代最终BOSS战BGM是《Amnesia》的混音版，而《Amnesia》1代是Ophelia房间所属的BGM。
Lastly, the ending of the game heavily implies that Indra is Ophelia from AV1. Firstly, there is the similarity in their portraits. Secondly, Indra's statement that she's not really "Indra" anymore, suggesting the possibily that she could take a new name. Additionally, Ophelia is a name from Shakespeare, which Indra is noted to be a fan of in the note "Dr. Gloria at it again". Additionally, Ophelia in Shakespeare dies by drowning, just as Indra does at the start of the game. Moreover, in AV1 Ophelia is the only of the Rusalki that speaks English normally (And notes that rusalki is the word for them in Elsenova's language, implying Vykhya is not her native language), is "The Outsider" referred to in the aforementioned note, and is said to have ties with Drushka. Even more evidence includes that Ophelia is said to be able to enter the Breach in AV1, something the other rusalki can't do (though, she may be lying on this front). The final piece of evidence is that the final boss music for AV2 is a remix of "Amnesia" which is the music that plays in Ophelia's area in AV1.

这些推断自然需要我们去讨论1代中，Athetos和Ophelia的行为动机。Indra需要Trace/Athetos向上探索去寻找她的女儿，而且1代Athetos同样说过想要向上探索，并且维持那里的Breach困住水妖。那么为什么两人不合作呢？在1代提到，克隆的年轻Trace是她们的B计划，可能暗示Athetos就是原本的A计划（然而失败了）。那到底为什么A计划失败了呢？此外，如果瘟疫就是Breach本身，那么Athetos对Sundra的种族灭绝就变得更耐人寻味了，可能就是这个A计划中的意外情况。
This of course, leads into questions about Athetos and Ophelia's motives in AV1. Indra needs Trace/Athetos to move upstream to find her daughter, and in AV1 Athetos claims to want to move upstream too, and keeps the breach there to trap the rusalki. So why aren't they working together? In AV1 the new clone of trace is mentioned to be a plan B, with the implication that Athetos was plan A (which went wrong). So what went wrong? Additionally, if the pathogen is the Breach itself, then Athetos' genocide of Sudra becomes more interesting, and potentially even an accident on his part.

最后提一句，很有可能Sundra就是2代提到的Udug，因为两个游戏中提到的过去的战争中，许多细节上的描述都对应起来了，尤其是关于风暴/Breach炸弹的部分（风暴炸弹可能指的就是1代的地址炸弹Address Bomb，两者的外形非常相似）。
As a final aside, it seems possible that the the Sudrans are the ones referred to as the Udug in AV2, as a lot of the discussions of the war in both games seem to line up nicely, especially stuff about the storm/breach bombs. (Which are probably related the the Address Bomb in AV1, as the visual effect even looks similar)

我还想提出更多两作之间的关联，但是那就太长了。这些只是我自己的想法和结论，想看看大家有什么其他补充的。
I could say more, but this is already horrifically long. These are just my own thoughts and connections i've made, i'd love to see more.

维克塔利昂

玩了两个小时了，感觉近战十分蛋疼，比1代烦多了
最小的怪都要打三下，中途就要被喷一下。现在基本就能不打都不打。。。