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[PS4/5] 游戏驴子的FF7RE评测出来了

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发表于 2020-4-30 02:50 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2020-4-30 04:55 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 JimmyJoker 于 2020-4-30 05:10 编辑

可以发表意见就不可以批评吗...
不要因为donkey是“图一乐的”就好像有了免死金牌一样啊

不过我觉得doneky偏见的地方值得一提——他对FF7与FF7R是预设了立场的,比如说故事和演出的部分,我个人最近刚开始玩所以没有可以批判的立场。
不过顺着碎碎嘴一下,自从xb2以后这人对jrpg真的愈发巨魔了,总是喜欢在装着正剧评判的视频里塞入out of context一般的内容...
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发表于 2020-4-30 04:58 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
这说得挺对啊,我也觉得ff7re一堆缺点。
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发表于 2020-4-30 05:01 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
他能调侃其他游戏博君一乐,那自然有一天会轮到你喜欢的游戏当素材
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发表于 2020-4-30 07:53 | 显示全部楼层
Anime演出确实拉跨啊
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发表于 2020-4-30 08:03 | 显示全部楼层
只有我一个喜欢看驴子做视频黑好玩的游戏?但凡不丑的游戏,网上随便都能搜到赞美的评价。要想黑的有趣可太难了。真心希望驴子多喷一些我喜欢的游戏。
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发表于 2020-4-30 08:24 | 显示全部楼层
想想假如国内有up极度讨厌JRPG但每次游戏出来都要蹭热度批评一番,我会把他喷的妈都不认识,果然外国人就是好混
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发表于 2020-4-30 08:37 | 显示全部楼层
拿ao来类比感觉有点过分了吧
不太同意楼上,演出这点我个人觉得不是anime味的锅,更多的英配本身属实拉垮。日式动漫这种的我也是身经百战了,但一开始**云cutscene的时候一个小时后就有点吃不消,真的就像dunkey剪的那样,各种角色对很浅显的对话也是huh..ummm..听得ptsd都犯了。特别让人起鸡皮疙瘩的是角色要表现情绪比较高位的语气,Jessica和两个女主,还有反抗军里的那个肥肥真就是尴尬的对话里不太高明的炒热气氛的手段。
特别是三个女性角色,感觉所有的语音都是在吊着嗓子说话,三个女性角色之间的经历、性格明明就是天差地别,但英配里就都是一个味道的傻白甜。之后换回日配,爱丽丝的小恶魔和蒂法的青梅竹马的温柔一下子都回来了自我感觉就是英配不如其他英语的一般影视作品,anime的角度英配不如日配

**关于三个女角色英配的cutscene感兴趣的可以尝试一下: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSZ7v8BC9vM
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发表于 2020-4-30 08:49 | 显示全部楼层
建议此楼转为驴子真爱(黑)楼
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发表于 2020-4-30 08:53 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
驴子没有真爱楼吗?发一个视频开一个贴?
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发表于 2020-4-30 09:09 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
Redis 发表于 2020-4-30 06:40
这期只要看过他之前的视频的都不会觉得是黑。

其实比起黑岛哥哥,这期算是客气了

他得出日式演出缺乏integrity的结论简直不能更正确,然而一个雄性聒噪猿类的论证过程必然错漏百出,再加上玩jrpg的出警都很勤快,自然就跟泥潭**了
不过最大的问题还是丫黑得不够起劲,让人意识不到丫只是个雄性聒噪猿类
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发表于 2020-4-30 09:24 | 显示全部楼层
这个逼要是换成国人加批站UP主你看泥潭还有这么多人捧臭脚吗?
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发表于 2020-4-30 09:36 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
说实话和蕾丝大宝贝的早期套路不是很相似吗
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发表于 2020-4-30 09:42 | 显示全部楼层
他卖的不就是这个人设
不过最近视频最大的问题不是说的对不对,而是不有趣了
总结一句话:结婚使人降智
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发表于 2020-4-30 09:47 | 显示全部楼层
驴子水平≤lexburner
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发表于 2020-4-30 09:48 | 显示全部楼层
像驴子、喷神james、gigguk这些国内一堆人追捧我也是看不懂,最不明白的就是这游戏驴子,哗众取宠为黑而黑这要是国内来个模仿他的UP主不被喷的销号跑路就怪了,还有拿lex来比的,lex和这货比的话简直纯良的跟个小猫一样
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发表于 2020-4-30 09:50 | 显示全部楼层
"It has a little something for everyone."
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发表于 2020-4-30 09:53 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 dark_saber 于 2020-4-30 10:01 编辑
小泉花陽 发表于 2020-4-30 09:48
像驴子、喷神james、gigguk这些国内一堆人追捧我也是看不懂,最不明白的就是这游戏驴子,哗众取宠为黑而黑 ...

喷神比起来还是很专业的吧,而且也基本不评论新游戏,喷以前的垃圾游戏也基本自己打通关,而且还有脑洞段子
偶尔不喷的视频(比如地球冒险2)除了提了很多的确算是缺陷的点以外吹的更多
驴子跟后两个完全不是一个路子的…
—— 来自 OnePlus GM1910, Android 10上的 S1Next-鹅版 v2.2.2.1
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发表于 2020-4-30 09:56 | 显示全部楼层
小泉花陽 发表于 2020-4-30 09:48
像驴子、喷神james、gigguk这些国内一堆人追捧我也是看不懂,最不明白的就是这游戏驴子,哗众取宠为黑而黑 ...

喷神最大的黑点就是国内有些天天在别人视频下面“这个喷神喷过”,“风格学喷神”
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发表于 2020-4-30 09:58 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 tamatama 于 2020-4-30 10:01 编辑
小泉花陽 发表于 2020-4-30 09:48
像驴子、喷神james、gigguk这些国内一堆人追捧我也是看不懂,最不明白的就是这游戏驴子,哗众取宠为黑而黑 ...

喷神james上榜啥情况,国内游戏UP有多少能做到他那样都是通关后评价?像retro玩家一样尽量不用模拟器(老妈2那期除外)。导演水平也好,每次尬演都很有趣。而且很少带节奏,国外一些恶魔城2hack版还按照他的意见修改。人还乐意出视频教大家怎么做游戏UP,分享自己的经验,做视频有哪些要注意的地方也提醒了。
ao厂长有james1/4水平我就不黑他了。
gigguk主要那句“anime is trash, and so am I”。这句话经典啊。我印象里,在他之前还没有国内漫评up敢说这种话。
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发表于 2020-4-30 10:05 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
搞笑ytb不搞笑,那就是菜,该喷!
这就是ytb!
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发表于 2020-4-30 10:06 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
这楼居然没有人跳出来说jrpg早该死了,巨魔论坛/粉丝纯度失格

同样希望建个真爱楼,无论他的喷粪还是粉丝无脑护都看腻了

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发表于 2020-4-30 10:34 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 风浦可符香(P.N) 于 2020-4-30 11:01 编辑

FF7RE我一点没碰,但是八方女人和XB2确实一泡污啊,加一起还没DQ3一半好玩


狂吹奥德赛的驴子:5/5,sss rank youtuber!!!
评测八方女人和XB2的驴子:4/5,youtube讲真话第一人!
没有狂吹portal2的驴子:3/5,怎么讲,水平不行
觉得splatoon2不怎么样的驴子:0/5,傻逼你懂个屁活该你女朋友跟一个黑人跑了233333
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发表于 2020-4-30 10:35 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
真要看评价ff7不如去看Maximilian Dood的……
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发表于 2020-4-30 10:40 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
没有真爱楼的都不是游戏界好相声大师
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发表于 2020-4-30 11:09 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 Niko_83c 于 2020-4-30 11:53 编辑

实不相瞒,其实我是knack的粉丝,看到驴子黑knack1和knack2的视频后也浑身不舒服,两个字总结感觉是在硬杠,黑得太尬了,虽然knack有一些缺点,但不至于被贬的一文不值吧。我琢磨既然不喜欢qte游戏就不要玩了,非要做这种视频出来引战,回家跟leah过日子不行吗。特别是看到还有人跟风取笑knack,我是笑不出来,眼泪在肚子里打转。你们取笑knack的时候考虑过我们吗?没有!你们只考虑你们自己!

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发表于 2020-4-30 11:19 | 显示全部楼层
ff2077 发表于 2020-4-30 10:35
真要看评价ff7不如去看Maximilian Dood的……

这人是信仰粉,不公正
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发表于 2020-4-30 12:35 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
就是喷演出尴尬和节奏拖沓,对战斗反而没啥意见
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发表于 2020-4-30 13:00 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
驴子强行黑就是人设,就是风格,但你们不能批评,反正他就这样,你们凭什么批评他?
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发表于 2020-4-30 13:08 | 显示全部楼层
除了犯原则性错误,这个人设是不是立于不败之地了
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发表于 2020-4-30 13:30 | 显示全部楼层

成熟的台词剧本,驴子不会多做批评
反之,可以看看他对xb2和kh3的评论
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发表于 2020-4-30 13:54 | 显示全部楼层
dunkey算是个原作剧情党,他对原作的对话也觉得有点突兀不过认为有剧情兜底还过得去
这次高清化后他不喜欢这种非常脱线的对话预料中,真正让这个人不能接受的怕是剧情改动。
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发表于 2020-4-30 15:41 | 显示全部楼层
myep 发表于 2020-4-30 14:29
正好零标点的FF7RE也出了
https://cdn.brid.tv/live/partners/11000/hd/558977.mp4

补一个官网的Transcript:

I know most people come here for knob gags or because you refuse to believe I'm actually still doing this every week but for those of you coming for purchasing advice, be apprised of two things before you buy Final Fantasy 7 remake. Firstly, if you go in the shop and make the "Ooh this FINAL fantasy's going on an awfully long time" joke then I think the staff are now legally permitted to push you down a fire escape. And secondly, if you saw the title "Final Fantasy VII Remake" and from the words "Final Fantasy VII" and "Remake" are now expecting a remake of the game Final Fantasy VII then you might be disappointed.

Final Fantasy VII Remake ends at the bit where you leave the first city, or about one third of the way through the first disc of the original PS1 game. Although it takes about forty more hours to get there 'cos it's padded like an A-cup on school picture day so there's been some contention over whether this is false advertising or a new take on the subject matter with better character exploration. I think a lot of this could have been cleared up if they'd titled the game "Final Fantasy VII Remake: Episode One." But maybe they didn't want to commit. I mean, at the rate they're going, by the time they get to the last episode it'll probably get pushed back by the heat death of the universe.

I hope they are doing more episodes 'cos the plot as it stands is painfully unresolved. The bulk of what we get might as well be retitled "Cloud Strife versus the Manic Pixie Dream Girls." You are Cloud Strife, the original pretty anime sword boy whose entire life consists of being worked by one manic pixie dream girl after another while he grumps like a teenage boy being forced to escort his sister to the zoo. It starts with him being dragged into an eco terrorist group by manic pixie dream girl no.1, big-titted childhood friend girl who, if this were a dating sim, I would have classified as "the freebie."

He gets manic pixied by her for a few chapters before another terrorist bombing goes awry, he falls off a high thing and lands almost literally in the lap of manic pixie dream girl no.2, flower seller with mysterious past who drives the rest of the plot. All of this is adhering closely to the original, and it was just as much a lurching tonal shift back then, when one moment we're having a desperate climactic battle with the evil corporation's murder robot in an exploding facility, and the next we're helping manic pixie dream girl no.2 with her grocery shopping.

And watching her give out flowers and be kind to all the orphan children as the townsfolk murmur about how perfect and wonderful and generally too pure for this sinful Earth she is. But that doesn't bother me, laid on as it is thicker than a mammoth skin rug, what does is that the storytelling feels confused. Not confusing - confused. There's this whole new chapter between terrorist bombing one and two in which Cloud gets latched onto by Manic Pixie Dream Girl 1.5, and it's all over the place like a living room full of aborted Lego projects. First there's a motorbike chase and then a motorbike boss fight with a mulleted dude who feels threatened by your motorbike prowess and nicer hairdo.

Then we have to sneak around someone's mums house and the pace slows right down before speeding right back up again when we go to a facility to battle some evil corporate soldiers, and then oh no, mullet dude shows up for another boss fight, and then oh no, evil robots come to kill us, but oh yay, mullet dude smashes the robots because he respects us now, but then he fucks off and oh no, the robots are still working so what was the fucking point of any of that, then oh yay, a rival terrorist cell shows up to cover our escape, but oh no, they've taken Wedge, but oh yay, Wedge comes straight back. And then a prolonged sequence ensues where our heroes pull Wedge's trousers down and inspect his buttocks. As I say, confused, like they were tag teaming out the writers every ten minutes and they weren't allowed to talk to each other.

And at some point someone must have said "Hey, you know Sephiroth? The iconic villain of the game who all the fangirls irrigate their inner thighs over? Isn't he, like, barely in the first bit of the game? Doesn't his proper introduction only happen right after the bit where our game stops?" "Well I wish you'd brought this up sooner, Clemence. Alright, let's have the main character hallucinate Sephiroth a bunch of times, then at the very end as you're leaving the city a magic portal to space will appear and you have to go through and fight Sephiroth on the moon. Any questions?" "Yes, several." I don't know what the fuck's going on at the end, there.

I feel sorry for anyone playing this game with no knowledge of the original. "Blimey, my pretty anime sword boy daydreams about Gwyneth Paltrow a lot." I've got no nostalgia for the original game - I think I was in the room when someone was playing it once, and I was more interested in the Twix I was very slowly eating at the time - and I found the remake to be a mixed experience. I was having fun while I was in the gambling town and Cloud had to dress up as a lady and becomes somehow irresistable to men despite looking like a frumpy Amish spinster who spent last night sleeping with her head in the feeding trough.

But that's a cultural thing, I'm English, and therefore the funniest things in the world to me are men dressing as ladies and the concept of social mobility. I like when the game is padding itself out with new story stuff like having to beat a hairdresser in a dance off before he'll consent to do your bangs. I don't like it when it pads itself by copy pasting the same sewer tunnel nineteen times and then collapsing the floor underneath our fat anime arse so we have to slog through the nineteen identical sewer tunnels to get back to the place we were just fucking at, this happens more than once. As for the combat, I was liking it up to a point.

You attack, block and dodge in real time until you've filled a meter and then you get to pause to contemplate what special move will best exploit the enemy weaknesses, it felt like a nice way to balance the chaotic battling with thoughtful strategy. But over time as the challenge ramps you need to rely more on your party members, and your party members are as much use as an anti-capitalist protestor on the floor of the New York stock exchange. I was wondering why they had so much trouble building up a single special move in the time it took me to get three special moves deep, and then I spotted the dude with the gun arm, old Mr. Introverted Japanese Person's Idea Of What Black People Are Like, firing round after round into a nearby handrail.

I have to keep taking over to show them how to do it, it's like teaching a roomful of six year olds how to type. So once again a hybrid combat system in a modern JRPG fails to convince me that its way is better than the old method of having the characters stand in a neat row and take it in turns. It might not have been spectacular, but it was a damn sight more polite. I guess 'spectacle' is all that matters in JRPGs these days, that's why half the time in combat the deep shadows and particle effects mean I can barely tell what the fuck's going on. You know what was really spectacular, viewers? An epic three disc adventure on the PS1 that was long because it had lots of stuff in it.

And Final Fantasy 7 Remake only managing to be as long as it was because a lot of it's copy-pasted like a suspiciously well-written undergraduate thesis feels like a slap in the face to those of us who remember a time when we could have nice things. And isn't that the story of my fucking life right now. Hey, remember when games had actual depth? SLAP! No you don't. Hey, remember when you could go out to that frozen yoghurt place you like? SLAP! No more of that. Hey, remember when you could get off on light BDSM? No slap! Oh you tease.
电脑计词1480,5分15秒平均每分钟两百八十多词,好话不多,Drag算一个

想问下这个brid.tv怎么用?视频由你上传吗?看起来是个不错的搬运托管地

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发表于 2020-4-30 15:56 | 显示全部楼层
不努 发表于 2020-4-30 15:41
补一个官网的Transcript:

I know most people come here for knob gags or because you refuse to belie ...

自己没用过,官方一直在用
链接审查元素,reddit也一直有人发
明天再翻
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发表于 2020-4-30 16:08 | 显示全部楼层
。。。这也能激动,那我们半条命粉不早就崩溃了
合金装备5作为他的年度游戏,被他爱不释手的奥德赛和野炊,夸了又夸的p5,也都被开除日本籍了?
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