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[讨论] 其实按照《起风了》的逻辑,731细菌部队也能一样被洗吧?

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发表于 2014-4-10 22:29 | 显示全部楼层
但是问题是历史上的堀越根本不是动画片里的形象啊,完完全全地积极开发兵器,为了增加战机的杀伤力,各种手段无所不用。
楼上很多人为他辩解,可见宫崎骏洗白的很成功
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发表于 2014-4-10 23:02 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2014-4-10 23:32 | 显示全部楼层
canary 发表于 2014-4-10 23:02
我个人觉得,发明机械类武器,哪怕是核弹,并不应该收到指责。因为这些东西用的时候会杀人,不用的时候又 ...

你认为生化武器为什么被禁止?是研制过程太残忍还是杀人过程太残忍?还跟核弹比,武器就是用来杀人的,研究人员因该不会有你这种精神洁癖

生化武器被禁是因为这玩意威力堪比核弹,但研发技术含量远远低于核弹,不禁止不是作死吗,有核国也要禁止别国拥有核武器

按你的想法全球都有生化武器了,大伙互相威慑,战争就没了吧,萨达姆有的话美国还敢那么嚣张,受点指责也是大功一件啊
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发表于 2014-4-11 00:30 | 显示全部楼层
起码现在国际公约明面上是可以做战斗机但不能搞生化武器
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发表于 2014-4-11 01:09 | 显示全部楼层
白武男 发表于 2014-4-10 13:33
可能某些人觉得零式打的是美国人,如果换成93式重爆和一式战机说不定态度就变了? ...

蛋战首战就是对当时的民国空军...
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发表于 2014-4-11 01:12 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2014-4-11 01:44 | 显示全部楼层
楼主算是直钩钓鱼吗
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发表于 2014-4-11 01:44 | 显示全部楼层
楼主算是直钩钓鱼吗
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发表于 2014-4-11 01:49 | 显示全部楼层
魔法科高校的钱学森好棒的有木有……
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发表于 2014-4-11 04:58 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
canary 发表于 2014-4-10 15:35
为什么国际社会有禁止生化武器的条约却没有禁止战斗机的条约?即使是战斗机和生化武器也是完全不一样的。 ...

这个还真有过。
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发表于 2014-4-11 06:28 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2014-4-11 22:41 | 显示全部楼层
大圣欢喜天 发表于 2014-4-10 23:32
你认为生化武器为什么被禁止?是研制过程太残忍还是杀人过程太残忍?还跟核弹比,武器就是用来杀人的,研 ...

不要随便拓宽别人结论的适用范围,我说了“一定程度上”。
你说的生化武器简单开发威力大当然也是禁止的原因之一,但生化武器需要活体实验这本身就是要被禁止的。
而做杀人的武器和杀着人做武器,这两件事完全是不同的。前者可以被称为民族脊梁,比如钱老;后者就只能呵呵了。
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发表于 2014-4-11 23:13 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2014-4-12 06:18 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2014-4-12 11:07 | 显示全部楼层
村雨零 发表于 2014-4-12 06:18
那协约国没清算哈伯是因为什么,因为他是个能从海水里提炼黄金的犹太人? ...

原来在你那边的世界线里一战完了以后协约国占领了德国还清算过战犯啊
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发表于 2014-4-12 11:08 | 显示全部楼层
rms117 发表于 2014-4-11 23:13
作品里面的掘越二郎就是一个冷酷无情钟情于自己工作兴趣的工业党宅男 觉得不舒服很大一个原因是他作为一个 ...

11区都工业党了,脑补能力吊炸天
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发表于 2014-4-12 11:15 | 显示全部楼层
为什么一个中国人还要站在日本人的立场看问题?
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发表于 2014-4-12 19:39 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2014-4-12 23:24 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 村雨零 于 2014-4-12 16:38 编辑
东病我药 发表于 2014-4-12 04:07
原来在你那边的世界线里一战完了以后协约国占领了德国清算过战犯
As a guarantee for the execution of the present Treaty by Germany, the German territory situated to the west of the Rhine, together with the bridgeheads, will be occupied by Allied and Associated troops for a period of fifteen years from the coming into force of the present Treaty.

If the conditions of the present Treaty are faithfully carried out by Germany, the occupation referred to in Article 428 will be successively restricted as follows:
(i) At the expiration of five years there will be evacuated: the bridgehead of Cologne and the territories north of a line running along the Ruhr, then along the railway Jülich, Duren, Euskirchen, Rheinbach, thence along the road Rheinbach to Sinzig, and reaching the Rhine at the confluence with the Ahr; the roads, railways and places mentioned above being excluded from the area evacuated.
(ii) At the expiration of ten years there will be evacuated: the bridgehead of Coblenz and the territories north of a line to be drawn from the intersection between the frontiers of Belgium, Germany and Holland, running about from 4 kilometres south of Aix-la-Chapelle, then to and following the crest of Forst Gemünd, then east of the railway of the Urft valley, then along Blankenheim, Valdorf, Dreis, Ulmen to and following the Moselle from Bremm to Nehren, then passing by Kappel and Simmern, then following the ridge of the heights between Simmern and the Rhine and reaching this river at Bacharach; all the places valleys, roads and railways mentioned above being excluded from the area evacuated.
(iii) At the expiration of fifteen years there will be evacuated: the bridgehead of Mainz, the bridgehead of Kehl and the remainder of the German territory under occupation.
If at that date the guarantees against unprovoked aggression by Germany are not considered sufficient by the Allied and Associated Governments, the evacuation of the occupying troops may be delayed to the extent regarded as necessary for the purpose of obtaining the required guarantees.

In case either during the occupation or after the expiration of the fifteen years referred to above the Reparation Commission finds that Germany refuses to observe the whole or part of her obligations under the present Treaty with regard to reparation, the whole or part of the areas specified in Article 429 will be reoccupied immediately by the Allied and Associated forces.

If before the expiration of the period of fifteen years Germany complies with all the undertakings resulting from the present Treaty, the occupying forces will be withdrawn immediately.

All matters relating to the occupation and not provided for by the present Treaty shall be regulated by subsequent agreements, which Germany hereby undertakes to observe.
Treaty of Versailles,Part XIV. Guarantees,Section I. Western Europe,Article 428-432)
The Allied and Associated Powers publicly arraign William II of Hohenzollern, formerly German Emperor, for a supreme offence against international morality and the sanctity of treaties.
A special tribunal will be constituted to try the accused, thereby assuring him the guarantees essential to the right of defence. It will be composed of five judges, one appointed by each of the following Powers: namely, the United States of America, Great Britain, France, Italy and Japan.
In its decision the tribunal will be guided by the highest motives of international policy, with a view to vindicating the solemn obligations of international undertakings and the validity of international morality. It will be its duty to fix the punishment which it considers should be imposed.
The Allied and Associated Powers will address a request to the Government of the Netherlands for the surrender to them of the ex-Emperor in order that he may be put on trial.

The German Government recognises the right of the Allied and Associated Powers to bring before military tribunals persons accused of having committed acts in violation of the laws and customs of war. Such persons shall, if found guilty, be sentenced to punishments laid down by law. This provision will apply notwithstanding any proceedings or prosecution before a tribunal in Germany or in the territory of her allies.
The German Government shall hand over to the Allied and Associated Powers, or to such one of them as shall so request, all persons accused of having committed an act in violation of the laws and customs of war, who are specified either by name or by the rank, office or employment which they held under the German authorities.

Persons guilty of criminal acts against the nationals of one of the Allied and Associated Powers will be brought before the military tribunals of that Power.
Persons guilty of criminal acts against the nationals of more than one of the Allied and Associated Powers will be brought before military tribunals composed of members of the military tribunals of the Powers concerned.
In every case the accused will be entitled to name his own counsel.

The German Government undertakes to furnish all documents and information of every kind, the production of which may be considered necessary to ensure the full knowledge of the incriminating acts, the discovery of offenders and the just appreciation of responsibility.
Treaty of Versailles,Part VII. Penalties,Article 227-230)
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发表于 2014-4-13 00:10 | 显示全部楼层
村雨零 发表于 2014-4-12 23:24
(Treaty of Versailles,Part XIV. Guarantees,Section I. Western Europe,Article 428-432)(Treaty o ...

割了几块地也能和占领全国相提并论,这思路我便是坐火箭都赶不上了
禁止生化武器也是一战后才有的东西,还是说你很喜欢本朝的剑斩前朝的官?
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发表于 2014-4-13 01:20 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 村雨零 于 2014-4-12 18:30 编辑
东病我药 发表于 2014-4-12 17:10
割了几块地也能和占领全国相提并论,这思路我便是坐火箭都赶不上了
禁止生化武器也是一战后才有的东西,还是说你很喜欢本朝的剑斩前朝的官?
下列签署人,出席海牙国际和平会议的各国全权代表,经各本国政府正式授权,

在1868年11月29日(12月11日)圣彼得堡宣言所表达的精神鼓舞下, 宣告:

各缔约国禁止使用专用于散布窒息性或有毒气体的投射物。

本宣言仅对各缔约国在两个或两个以上国家之间发生战争时具有约束力。

在各缔约国之间的战争中,一旦一个非缔约国加入交战一方时,本宣言即失去约束力。

本宣言应尽速予以批准。

批准书应存于海牙。

每一批准书的交存须作成记录,其副本经核证无误后须通过外交途径送交所有缔约国。

非签署国得加入本宣言。为此,它们须将其加入一事通知各缔约国, 即向荷兰政府发一书面通知,并由该政府通知所有其他缔约国。

如某一缔约国退出本宣言,此项退出只有在书面通知荷兰政府,并由该政府迅即通知所有其他缔约国一年后方能生效。

此项退出仅对提出退出通知的国家有效。

各全权代表在本宣言上签字盖章,以昭信守。

1899年7月29日订于海牙,正本一份,存于荷兰政府档案库,其副本经核证无误后通过外交途径送交各缔约国。(代表签字从略。——编者)

签署国:奥匈帝国、比利时、保加利亚、中国、丹麦、法国、德国、希腊、意大利、日本、卢森堡、墨西哥、门的内哥罗、荷兰、挪威、波斯、葡萄牙、罗马尼亚、俄国、塞尔维亚、暹罗、西班牙、瑞典、瑞士、土耳其。

签署日期:1899年7月29日。

批准或加入书交存日期(R):奥匈帝国(1900.9.4)、比利时(1900.9.4)、保加利亚(1900. 9.4) 、中国(1904.11.21)、丹麦(1900.9.4)、埃塞俄比亚(1935.8.9)、斐济 (1973.4.2)(C)、法国(1900.9.4)、德国(1900.9.4)、英国(1907.8.30 )希腊(1901.4.4)、意大利(1900.9.4)、日本(1900.10.6)、卢森堡(1901.7.12) 、墨西哥(1901.4.17)、门的内哥罗(1900.10.16)、荷兰 (1900.9.4)、尼加拉瓜(1907.10.11)、挪威(1900.9.4)、波斯 (1900.9.4)、葡萄牙(1900.9.4 )、罗马尼亚(1900.9.4)、俄国 (1900.9.4)、塞尔维亚(1901.5.11)、暹罗(1900.9.4)、南非 (1978.3.10)(C)、西班牙(1900.9.4)、瑞典(1900. 9.4)、瑞士 (1900.12.29)、土耳其(1907.6.12 )。
(《禁止使用专用于散布窒息性或有毒气体的投射物的宣言》)
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发表于 2014-4-13 11:12 | 显示全部楼层
要看怎么洗,如果描写实验人是被刀架在脖子上,也没有效忠天皇的热情,是可以洗。
问题是没人信。
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