b站官方更了个刻晴视频，评论区都被冲烂了，不对劲不对劲，阿B变味了
—— 来自 vivo V1981A, Android 10上的 S1Next-鹅版 v2.2.2
斜阳中的落叶 发表于 2020-10-7 15:41
b站官方更了个刻晴视频，评论区都被冲烂了，不对劲不对劲，阿B变味了
—— 来自 vivo V1981A, Andr ...
去看了眼 笑爆了
草，前排一堆圣经咏唱笑死我了
不乖 发表于 2020-10-7 12:38
刚跑错区去隔壁问了，现在跑回来再问下，无氪玩家76抽出了温迪，继续抽普通池还是攒石等下个up池？
——...
你是指手游区么，那里才是游戏讨论楼，这里是米哈游拆台的
这里是吃瓜撕x楼，讨论游戏请去隔壁
圣经谁解释一下阿
— from Xiaomi M2007J1SC, Android 10 of S1 Next Goose v2.4.3
我觉得没区别，反正玩不玩的玩家大部分立场都是一致的，干tmd米哈游。
cashis 发表于 2020-10-7 14:10
不会吧，都这种宣发程度还有人把开服流水当作胜利资本。真的都只能到了这种地步么 ...
原神在油管上给几乎所有游戏搜索关键词都加了定向推广，除了像pm和dq这类本身有手游的之外，其他的你只要搜索置顶的必然是原神的商店链接
朝すみれ 发表于 2020-10-7 17:32
比农药低400万刀 不含国服安卓、PC、PS4 国服IOS近2500万刀 外服3500万刀(日本1700万刀 美国800万刀其他地 ...
日本人钱真好赚系列
—— 来自 meizu 16s Pro, Android 9上的 S1Next-鹅版 v2.4.3
看了眼Genshin Impact's chat filter又上新闻了，
除了政治以外，什么
they censored "words" "so close" "1s" "enemies" and "Want me to"
笑死了
这联机聊天最搞不懂的是“先给”居然还是屏蔽词，“先给XX升级”都能整出星号
ohi 发表于 2020-10-07 00:53:25
主线做完，下线前用送的原石抽了两次十连，每次都1金2紫，什么鬼...这是用第几号抽奖模式
-- 来自 能手机投票的 Stage1官方 iOS客户端
reddit也炎上了，和国内情况基本类似，对氪金内容极度不满，游戏单调
吃惊的是reddit居然反向吃国服的瓜，好奇鬼佬到底有多少懂汉语的，还是说都是华语用户在搬
本帖最后由 阴阳鱼子 于 2020-10-7 21:57 编辑
TriSPD 发表于 2020-10-7 21:31
reddit也炎上了，和国内情况基本类似，对氪金内容极度不满，游戏单调
吃惊的是reddit居然反向吃国服的瓜， ...
reddit炎上？你是指这篇 https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin ... f_fall_victim_to_a/
我怎么觉得别人是有理有据提出倡议，还是想继续玩下去，和国内那些为反而反可是两回事。
目前reddit上讨论游戏气氛比S1和NGA好多了
这种楼还能有晒卡的，真是看笑了哈哈哈哈
本帖最后由 阴阳鱼子 于 2020-10-7 22:00 编辑
Dai-Dai-Dai-Dai 发表于 2020-10-7 21:57
羊代人 有理有据
冲国人 为黑而黑
Genshin Impact: Don't let yourself fall victim to a predatory monetization model
Discussion
So I originally had little to no intention of making a thread like this, instead wishing to stay silent and watch as the storm inevitably blows over. However, a few recent events have convinced me to act.
Just so you all have some insight, I’ve played MMOs and gacha games for basically all my life since I could get on the internet (over 10 years now), and have experienced things from Nexon’s horrible monetization models from Maplestory to Vindictus, to the casino rate odds of Black Desert lategame, to being actually respected as a consumer in Azur Lane. Guess which one I’ve spent the most money on?
While I love this game, and fully wish to be able to support MiHoYo for their wonderful work, the fact of the matter is that the gacha rates in this game are beyond predatory, and this monetization model they’re currently running beyond exploitive, and as a result, I find myself unable to even give a cent of my hard earned money to support these dubious business practices.
Yes, you can enjoy the game without premium characters. Yes, the exploration can be completed with everything they give you for free. You can sink tens of hours into this game without paying a dime. But you can’t have the full player experience, to sate your curiousity with new characters or just have fun with the characters whose design you love, without either shilling out untold and unreasonable amounts of money, waiting almost a year for a ‘pity pull,’ or spending countless hours rerolling until you get a starting roll that you enjoy, which isn’t playing the game.
When a new 5 star character comes out, are players going to make new accounts and reroll to try to get them too, abandoning all their previous progress? At this point they’ll be more obligated to participate in this predatory gacha system, by which point so you know, the pull rate get the specific character you desire off banner right now is about 0.06% (estimated), while banner has about a 0.3% chance without pity. If you want an RPG horror story, just try to calculate how many rolls on average it will take to get a specific 5 star character that you want, and then convert the cost into whatever currency you use. Then realize you need 7 copies of said 5 star character to truly experience them at their full potential. Thinking about these costs unironically makes me shiver.
But in this capitalist society with which we find ourselves, money speaks louder than words. This is why I come to you all with a proposition; I ask the community to please stop spending on this game until we, as consumers, are better treated and given the respect we deserve. Until the rates and the built in gacha system are improved upon, and we are seen as real people and not just a convenient source of income from which MiHoYo can trick into this terrible economic loop, I ask of you as a community to stop buying the ingame micro transactions and the various season passes, so that MiHoYo can get the message. Yes, whales will be whales and continue to spend huge, but even whales will run out of steam (and money), and a system that’s supported by a few whales is unsustainable in the long run. That’s not to say stop playing, but just stop spending. After all, this game can be enjoyed fully as F2P. Don’t be pressured to spend by big shot streamers and YouTube upstarts pouring thousands into this game.
In a separate post below, I will include useful links with information regarding gacha comparisons rates and in depth calculations. I ask that everyone also approach this thread respectfully, and keep the discussion that is to follow respectful as well.
Thank you for your time in reading my post, and I hope that it has been a constructive endeavour.
行吧，全文看出作者出发点明显不同，你们就不用精简我的话了
东海尖头鳗 发表于 2020-10-7 21:59
这视频油管上英语版和日语版都有了三四周了
米哈游太君中文真是有够差
不是母语所以翻译用了这么 ...
你大概弄错了，B站上的是新的刻晴演示视频，而且英语版和日语版还没更新。
大家还在玩啊？我已经卸载啦，36级卸的，因为昨天忘了上线错过一天日常，索性卸载。
对了，博德之门3挺好玩的。
https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/search/?q=genshin%20&source=recent&restrict_sr=1
直接搜了挨个看，大概三分之一到一半是在喷，不过也就是陈述事实，没到黑的地步
阴阳鱼子 发表于 2020-10-07 21:55:02
我怎么觉得别人是有理有据提出倡议，还是想继续玩下去，和国内那些为反而反可是两回事。
目前reddit上讨 ...确实，Reddit应该没有来信砍吧，那氛围确实比s1好多了
-- 来自 有消息提醒的 Stage1官方 Android客户端
花葬红蝶 发表于 2020-10-7 01:13
steam热评不是日常辱骂自己傻逼吗
自己骂自己傻逼和别人骂你傻逼一样吗
风妖精领主 发表于 2020-10-7 22:27
确实，Reddit应该没有来信砍吧，那氛围确实比s1好多了
-- 来自 有消息提醒的 Stage1官方 Android客户端 ...
这是你的新号？有些人喜欢躲在网上骂别人家人，确不允许对方反击，这种怂卵思维我上次已经看得很明白了。
本帖最后由 阴阳鱼子 于 2020-10-7 22:46 编辑
Dai-Dai-Dai-Dai 发表于 2020-10-7 22:32
靠，我一直忍着不提的，居然能这么轻易地做到我做不到的事
我目前也没看到Reddit原神版上有人追着一直喷人全家，我的涵养没有巨魔好，请担待。
在你们看来，我被喷全家婊可以，而我气不过约人反击就变成你们眼中的不对了，我也很无奈。
阴阳鱼子 发表于 2020-10-7 22:38
这是你的新号？有些人喜欢躲在网上骂别人家人，确不允许对方反击，这种怂卵思维我上次已经看得很明白了。 ...
你觉得是就是吧，有能力的话可以再查查ip看看能查到哪去
什么，来信砍查IP那位放出来了？
yuwe0714 发表于 2020-10-7 22:46
什么，来信砍查IP那位放出来了？
喂喂，别说得我被封过好哇
我一直好好的